dollar500
08-14 02:50 PM
So as per USCIS a total of 600,000 applications were pending until June. We can add another 600,000 for july-aug... total now 1.2 Million
08/14/2007: USCIS I-485 Workload Statistics
The applicants of I-485 are expected to experience delays in obtaining the green card for two factors: One is the visa number cut-off date movement in the Visa Bulletin. The other is the processing delays within the USCIS field offices, including Service Centers. Accordingly, "current" of their visa priority in the Visa Bulletin may not assure them immediate adjudication of their I-485 applications depending on the I-485 workloads and the processing backlogs within the agency.
The following statistics reflect a steady increase in the number of I-485 applications (including family-based and other cases) during the months before the July VB fiasco hit the roof as is shown in the following table:
Month New Receipt Total Pending
June 2007 69,098 597,844
May 2007 68,265 594,706
April 2007 59,266 580,507
March 2007 62,020 572,779
February 2007 45,554 574,783
January 2007 52,082 583,682
December 2006 50,411 588,039
November 2006 53,016 578,805
At this time, it is anybody's guess as to what the figures will look like for the months of July and August 2007 which have yet to be made available. It does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out a totally different digit in the new receipt numbers and pending numbers for the next two months. These cases will have to be processed and adjudicated generally in the order of receipt in each queue for those cases whose visa numbers will become current in the future. The new statistics for July and August 2007 will add a body temperature to the new I-485 filers with the realization why it would be so important that the political leaders and the Congress should act and pass a legislation to reform employment-based immigration system coming fall. Without such legislation, their journey for immigration will remain intolerably painful.
08/14/2007: USCIS I-485 Workload Statistics
The applicants of I-485 are expected to experience delays in obtaining the green card for two factors: One is the visa number cut-off date movement in the Visa Bulletin. The other is the processing delays within the USCIS field offices, including Service Centers. Accordingly, "current" of their visa priority in the Visa Bulletin may not assure them immediate adjudication of their I-485 applications depending on the I-485 workloads and the processing backlogs within the agency.
The following statistics reflect a steady increase in the number of I-485 applications (including family-based and other cases) during the months before the July VB fiasco hit the roof as is shown in the following table:
Month New Receipt Total Pending
June 2007 69,098 597,844
May 2007 68,265 594,706
April 2007 59,266 580,507
March 2007 62,020 572,779
February 2007 45,554 574,783
January 2007 52,082 583,682
December 2006 50,411 588,039
November 2006 53,016 578,805
At this time, it is anybody's guess as to what the figures will look like for the months of July and August 2007 which have yet to be made available. It does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out a totally different digit in the new receipt numbers and pending numbers for the next two months. These cases will have to be processed and adjudicated generally in the order of receipt in each queue for those cases whose visa numbers will become current in the future. The new statistics for July and August 2007 will add a body temperature to the new I-485 filers with the realization why it would be so important that the political leaders and the Congress should act and pass a legislation to reform employment-based immigration system coming fall. Without such legislation, their journey for immigration will remain intolerably painful.
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pointlesswait
12-30 09:38 AM
nut job...
that dude must have had some cheap vodka...when he wrote that article.
Please ignore if it has already been posted. This article looks interesting considering the current economic and immigration situation
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
that dude must have had some cheap vodka...when he wrote that article.
Please ignore if it has already been posted. This article looks interesting considering the current economic and immigration situation
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
GCNirvana007
08-23 02:04 PM
Less than 20 people in 2004 - Even if we multiply by 10 , its 200
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dallasdude
06-12 12:56 PM
If they get continus apps from Eb1 in each quater how can they set up cutoff date ? ( I mean their demand with in range of supply ) .. isn't that illegal ?
Most recently, the cutoff dates for EB3-India was set on Jan 05 bulletin and for EB2-India on October 05. Not sure about the other categories, but it seems to me that they either do it at the start of a quarter or at the beginning of a fiscal year. Based on their comments, it does seem like demand is starting to exceed supply for those EB1 categories.
I feel like EB1 India and China will have cutoff dates beginning October 09.
Most recently, the cutoff dates for EB3-India was set on Jan 05 bulletin and for EB2-India on October 05. Not sure about the other categories, but it seems to me that they either do it at the start of a quarter or at the beginning of a fiscal year. Based on their comments, it does seem like demand is starting to exceed supply for those EB1 categories.
I feel like EB1 India and China will have cutoff dates beginning October 09.
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jamesbond007
09-05 03:18 PM
You are suggesting how to avoid it rather then try to acknowledge that there is a problem in the wording of AP. By problem, I meant the whole dynamics has changes over the years, so, its time they change to reflect today's reality.
There may not be everyone who would continue to be on H1 while their AOS is pending.
In light of the AC21 provision, this is pretty common - people change jobs using EAD and are then on AOS. Looks like the wording on AP was ignored when AC21 was being made into law. This is now biting some of the travelers.
Could the AP wording be changed using an administrative fix by USCIS/DOS rather than a legislative update?
There may not be everyone who would continue to be on H1 while their AOS is pending.
In light of the AC21 provision, this is pretty common - people change jobs using EAD and are then on AOS. Looks like the wording on AP was ignored when AC21 was being made into law. This is now biting some of the travelers.
Could the AP wording be changed using an administrative fix by USCIS/DOS rather than a legislative update?
GCBy3000
04-15 07:44 PM
May be even 5 would help at this moment.
Also I would suggest to show the data as below in the contribution sign up page where the people would get an idea before contributing.
$100 Contribution / per month -- xxx members
$50 Contribution / per month -- yyy members
$20 Contribution / per month -- zzz members
$10 Contribution / per month -- xx members
$5 Contribution / per month -- x members
This would help the new members to grasp the idea about the strength of the forum and would also give a ball park figure on which range they should go.
Can we lower minimum recurring amount to $10 a month? I can request some of my colleagues to contribute a recurring amount of $10 a month. We can probably get more ppl to join more lower limits.
Also I would suggest to show the data as below in the contribution sign up page where the people would get an idea before contributing.
$100 Contribution / per month -- xxx members
$50 Contribution / per month -- yyy members
$20 Contribution / per month -- zzz members
$10 Contribution / per month -- xx members
$5 Contribution / per month -- x members
This would help the new members to grasp the idea about the strength of the forum and would also give a ball park figure on which range they should go.
Can we lower minimum recurring amount to $10 a month? I can request some of my colleagues to contribute a recurring amount of $10 a month. We can probably get more ppl to join more lower limits.
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amitjoey
07-10 11:45 AM
The flower campaign is working, read english_august's post.
Hundreds of flowers have been delivered.
Hundreds of flowers have been delivered.
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manderson
10-24 10:24 AM
shimul99
first of all congrats. but i have a question.
you said you are EB3 ROW (Bangladesh) but you applied your I-485 on June 29, 2007 with a Priority Date of Feb 06.
But on June 2007 (just before the VB fiasco) the Visa Bulletin for EB3 ROW was caught up to June 05 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html). But your EB3 ROW PD is Feb 06. So how is that possible?
Only EB2 ROW is current. Are you sure you are not EB2? You can confirm this by looking at your 140 notice. Otherwise you must have sent out your application June 29 (Fri) in the hope of reaching USCIS by July 1 or 2 (Sun or Mon). That's the only way I could make sense of this.
Either way man, your stars must all lined up or something man. You are indeed very lucky.
the reason I am pestering you is becoz I too am EB3 ROW with PD of Mar 06 and I filed on Aug with an approved 140. I am now kicking myself for not mailing out June 29 Fri.
first of all congrats. but i have a question.
you said you are EB3 ROW (Bangladesh) but you applied your I-485 on June 29, 2007 with a Priority Date of Feb 06.
But on June 2007 (just before the VB fiasco) the Visa Bulletin for EB3 ROW was caught up to June 05 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html). But your EB3 ROW PD is Feb 06. So how is that possible?
Only EB2 ROW is current. Are you sure you are not EB2? You can confirm this by looking at your 140 notice. Otherwise you must have sent out your application June 29 (Fri) in the hope of reaching USCIS by July 1 or 2 (Sun or Mon). That's the only way I could make sense of this.
Either way man, your stars must all lined up or something man. You are indeed very lucky.
the reason I am pestering you is becoz I too am EB3 ROW with PD of Mar 06 and I filed on Aug with an approved 140. I am now kicking myself for not mailing out June 29 Fri.
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subba
01-17 09:38 AM
Am sure this will turn out to be one of the best "investments" I ever made.
Thanks to all the pioneers in this group.
Thanks to all the pioneers in this group.
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gcnirvana
10-12 12:35 PM
Sorry I did not read this thread before. Just a simple question: should we use nycgal's draft?
Yes, I used nycgal's and made little modification to the intro part. Picked up the IV intro from our home page. Also emphasized on the skilled-immigrants rather than just legal immigrants. Still need to send it to Mr.Sturgeon.
Yes, I used nycgal's and made little modification to the intro part. Picked up the IV intro from our home page. Also emphasized on the skilled-immigrants rather than just legal immigrants. Still need to send it to Mr.Sturgeon.
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andy garcia
05-24 07:34 PM
when you can become an illegal, what prevents you from becoming an illegal with retrospective effect.. goto Hialeah near Miami,FL & you can get all the fake stuff for under $500..
Why do you need to go to Miami?
Go on e-Bay and bid for illegal certification.
Why do you need to go to Miami?
Go on e-Bay and bid for illegal certification.
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yabadaba
06-28 01:17 PM
yea...this is effective july 2nd...so if you I140 reaches then...you cannot use premium processing
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07-16 10:00 AM
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sss9i
02-19 10:48 AM
Hi,
I hava Whole plociy with Guardian Life.
I prefered whole policy if you think your'e going to stay in USA about 10-15 years in usa.
I hava Whole plociy with Guardian Life.
I prefered whole policy if you think your'e going to stay in USA about 10-15 years in usa.
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willwin
09-23 10:11 AM
PLEASE KEEP CALLING.
You still have 3 more hours to call.
You still have 3 more hours to call.
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raysaikat
05-21 03:19 PM
* NSC I-140:
EB-1A = 01/19/07, EB-1B=04/27/07, EB-1C=02/21/07, Schedule A=02/15/07, EB-21 = 06/05/07, EB-2B=02/27/07,
EB-3 = 03/10/07,
EW = 03/01/07
* TSC I-140:
EB-1A = 08/26/07, EB-1B=08/26/07, EB-1C=08/26/07, Schedule A=08/26/07, EB-21 = 08/26/07, EB-2B=08/26/07,
EB-3 = 08/26/07,
EW = 08/26/07
Website now shows April 15th dates.
Looks like they are changing the dates again...
Interesting ritual one has to follow :)
1. Copy the link on your clip-board (highlight and Ctrl+C). E.g., the following is the link for TSC
https://egov.uscis.gov/cris/jsps/Processtimes.jsp?SeviceCenter=TSC
2. Close *all* your browser windows. Perhaps you might want to open the task manager and kill the "process tree". But simply closing *all* the browser windows was sufficient in my system.
3. Open your browser. Paste the link (Ctrl+v) on the browser and voila!
EB-1A = 01/19/07, EB-1B=04/27/07, EB-1C=02/21/07, Schedule A=02/15/07, EB-21 = 06/05/07, EB-2B=02/27/07,
EB-3 = 03/10/07,
EW = 03/01/07
* TSC I-140:
EB-1A = 08/26/07, EB-1B=08/26/07, EB-1C=08/26/07, Schedule A=08/26/07, EB-21 = 08/26/07, EB-2B=08/26/07,
EB-3 = 08/26/07,
EW = 08/26/07
Website now shows April 15th dates.
Looks like they are changing the dates again...
Interesting ritual one has to follow :)
1. Copy the link on your clip-board (highlight and Ctrl+C). E.g., the following is the link for TSC
https://egov.uscis.gov/cris/jsps/Processtimes.jsp?SeviceCenter=TSC
2. Close *all* your browser windows. Perhaps you might want to open the task manager and kill the "process tree". But simply closing *all* the browser windows was sufficient in my system.
3. Open your browser. Paste the link (Ctrl+v) on the browser and voila!
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Ramba
09-05 03:01 PM
Technically, you are right. But on the other hand, it was at a time when one had to wait at the most 6 months for AOS.
But, for people from India, on EB categories, the wait is not months, its in YEARS. So, its irrational to go by whats written there.
On the other hand: I think we must request USCIS to recognize this underlying problem with EB folks that are primarily from India. They must print an exception on the AP for India and exclude the wording "for emergency purpose only". I don't know if USCIS has the discretionary power to amend minor changes.
If AOS takes many years, then keep the non-immigrant visa, so that no need to worry about AP.
But, for people from India, on EB categories, the wait is not months, its in YEARS. So, its irrational to go by whats written there.
On the other hand: I think we must request USCIS to recognize this underlying problem with EB folks that are primarily from India. They must print an exception on the AP for India and exclude the wording "for emergency purpose only". I don't know if USCIS has the discretionary power to amend minor changes.
If AOS takes many years, then keep the non-immigrant visa, so that no need to worry about AP.
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dpp
05-29 08:44 AM
Solution is give away GCs to all pending labours/140s/485s. Then nobody works for lesser wage and so we can equally compete with US citizens. They created this mess and so their fellow citizens are facing the problems.
Also, all anti-immigrants are publishig the wages mentioned in H1B LCA's when comparing the salaries with US Citizens. But thats the wrong approach. Employers always mention the minimum wage that can be given in LCA while applying for H1. But the actual salary is always more than that 90% of times. So, these anti-immigrants don't know that actual salaries paid to H1B employess are far better or equal to salaries given to them. So, thats what they are crying. Also, they are crying because of they are not able to copeup with the technology changes and compete with us. Employers put the minimum allowed wage because of avioding high-pay when the employee is not productive or not on project. So that they can pay the minimum wage as per rules.
If there is a free flow of immigrants, why the wages will go down? These are all because of corruption at govt side. So, do not blame H1Bs. They came here all the way crossing thousands of miles, leaving their parents and in-laws for the sake of getting better life. This happens everywhere and everytime.
Also, when we say immigration system is broken, it doesn't mean that it is completely broken and replace with a new system. Just increase the EB and FB caps and per-country limits. thats it. It solves the problem. Do not revamp whole system. Existing system is fine and only thing is not enough visas available as per demand. So, solve problem by correcting it. We need to convey this to senators.
Finally, there will be flaws in any system. With that some people has to suffer. But if majority of them doing better and contributing to the economy, that will be good. Do not care for those few people, and destroy the lifes of majority of people.
God bless america.
Also, all anti-immigrants are publishig the wages mentioned in H1B LCA's when comparing the salaries with US Citizens. But thats the wrong approach. Employers always mention the minimum wage that can be given in LCA while applying for H1. But the actual salary is always more than that 90% of times. So, these anti-immigrants don't know that actual salaries paid to H1B employess are far better or equal to salaries given to them. So, thats what they are crying. Also, they are crying because of they are not able to copeup with the technology changes and compete with us. Employers put the minimum allowed wage because of avioding high-pay when the employee is not productive or not on project. So that they can pay the minimum wage as per rules.
If there is a free flow of immigrants, why the wages will go down? These are all because of corruption at govt side. So, do not blame H1Bs. They came here all the way crossing thousands of miles, leaving their parents and in-laws for the sake of getting better life. This happens everywhere and everytime.
Also, when we say immigration system is broken, it doesn't mean that it is completely broken and replace with a new system. Just increase the EB and FB caps and per-country limits. thats it. It solves the problem. Do not revamp whole system. Existing system is fine and only thing is not enough visas available as per demand. So, solve problem by correcting it. We need to convey this to senators.
Finally, there will be flaws in any system. With that some people has to suffer. But if majority of them doing better and contributing to the economy, that will be good. Do not care for those few people, and destroy the lifes of majority of people.
God bless america.
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kshitijnt
05-14 07:06 PM
What do you mean by upgrade to premium? I dont think you can change the option by simply upgrading. You need to file I-864 to change to consular processing.
There are a few options:
1. If you have chosen consular processing, ( I am guessing you have not), you can file I-485 and amended I-140 at any time PD becomes current.
2. If you chose AOS on I-140 and the I-140 is approved, some consulates accept attorney certified I-140 provided you pay the fees usually payable to NVC. Expect 3 months of delay in getting an appointment though.
Pros & Cons:
Consular:
You get your GC as against EADs endless loop.
You have to be with the same employer for atleast 180 days since the time you get your GC and you enter US using your GC.
AOS:
You and your spouse both get EAD. NO need to travel to foreign country.
You need to wait 180 days from filing 485 to change jobs (assuming 140 is approved, if not the case is more complicated).
More time consuming and longer duration.
The lawyers here will vouch for I-485 as it means more revenue for them. If you have a stable job where you are doing good and you are counting to get a promotion, etc go for consular processing instead of getting stuck with 485 process.
Can someone please advice pros and cons, keeping in mind the forward movement of priority dates could be just for the month of June!
My 140 is still pending in NSC I have the option to quicky upgrade that to premium and then go for CP, what would be the course of action?
Also what are the wait times for CP in Mumbai India?
Thanks!
May we all get outa this mess :cool: and move on with life!
There are a few options:
1. If you have chosen consular processing, ( I am guessing you have not), you can file I-485 and amended I-140 at any time PD becomes current.
2. If you chose AOS on I-140 and the I-140 is approved, some consulates accept attorney certified I-140 provided you pay the fees usually payable to NVC. Expect 3 months of delay in getting an appointment though.
Pros & Cons:
Consular:
You get your GC as against EADs endless loop.
You have to be with the same employer for atleast 180 days since the time you get your GC and you enter US using your GC.
AOS:
You and your spouse both get EAD. NO need to travel to foreign country.
You need to wait 180 days from filing 485 to change jobs (assuming 140 is approved, if not the case is more complicated).
More time consuming and longer duration.
The lawyers here will vouch for I-485 as it means more revenue for them. If you have a stable job where you are doing good and you are counting to get a promotion, etc go for consular processing instead of getting stuck with 485 process.
Can someone please advice pros and cons, keeping in mind the forward movement of priority dates could be just for the month of June!
My 140 is still pending in NSC I have the option to quicky upgrade that to premium and then go for CP, what would be the course of action?
Also what are the wait times for CP in Mumbai India?
Thanks!
May we all get outa this mess :cool: and move on with life!
sanjeev_2004
08-22 11:36 PM
Check this out.....
http://www..com/usa-immigration-trackers/i485-tracker1/
There are people from India with PD 2005 whose I-485's have been approved lately.
It wont happen again. after encashing I485 checks USICS will start I140 PP again to keep cashing money. once I140 backlog will be done then they will earn from EAD renewals.
Enjoy EAD..........
http://www..com/usa-immigration-trackers/i485-tracker1/
There are people from India with PD 2005 whose I-485's have been approved lately.
It wont happen again. after encashing I485 checks USICS will start I140 PP again to keep cashing money. once I140 backlog will be done then they will earn from EAD renewals.
Enjoy EAD..........
485_se_dukhi
09-22 07:44 PM
In trying to play the "devil's advocate", you still did not answer my question. i.e. "Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?"
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate