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  • mihird
    09-15 10:28 AM
    Its very interesting to read about people�s different perspective about same thing we are all after.. lets ask ourselves.. honestly why we do want GC and I am sure we all would have multiple reasons for this in our subconscious but would not like to bring it to forefront because it would only undermine our own ability to fight it or make life more stressful.. but end of the day we all want this card.. for me I want it mainly for security and peace of mind�lets look at the different situations.. these might be extreme but we all might have thought about these situations atleast at some point in the recent past� .. and especially the people in the seventh year

    1. You are in your seventh year� and you loose you job�.what is the first thought that comes to your mind.. I got to pack and leave .. pack your home of seven years and all your possessions you collected, in two suitcases of 50lbs each and leave�forget the Flat Screen TV,, forget all the electronics and the two cars you love ... just list them in craigslist �

    2. You have home which you bought with so much pride�what do you do? ..List it.. make a desperate sale in this falling market.. loose a ton of money and leave�and don't even talk about all the silk plants..floor lamps.. the furnishing,, they are for the yard sale on the Saturday..

    3. You have child whom you love and have plans for them.. love the school.. are an active member in the PTA � all of sudden what you do.. pull them out of school, move them from the only culture and the country they have known the only President they know is Bush and the only national anthem they have learnt is "The Star-Spangled Banner"�to another place where they don�t even understand the language forget the culture, national anthem etc..

    4. Think about your spouse.. they have adopted themselves to this lifestyle.. probably felt lonely when you moved here 7 years but now like it.. its time for them to move back�why because your don�t have a GC

    5. Forget the Golf and Tennis you enjoy so much here �it was all a very good dream..

    1. You are educated.. have a masters, have a professional degree.. but have been in the same position and department because of your long wait for GC, what happens� the fresh college graduate or the dumb blond who joined two years back and whom you taught how to log into the network is now your peer and you are still on the same desk doing the same job getting the 2% raise and working even more hard..so that you can keep you job..with a new dumb boss.. who thinks you are so dumb that you have been in the same job for so long time..
    2. All your batchmates are doing great..some of them are now sweating to be VP�s having risen by changing jobs �. You are still years away from that situation.. what do you do.. stop attending alumni meets and envy the mails in your yahoo groups from people..
    3. Seven years in US.. you have made your professional contacts.. and have a social network.. in which you invested your time and effort.. loose your job in the seventh year.. and all these contacts are nothing but an occasional international long distance call in future..

    Last but not the least� flight back home to your country is not going to be as smooth as the flight to US was seven years back.. back home look for a job..learn the whole new professional culture �and then set up a new home,,new school for kids�.why because we could not get a GC.. which was not in our control.. and because some stupid insane guy sitting in cave 10K miles away decided to terrorize the people in America in 2001.. and make life difficult for all the people..including people in H1...

    We might all go back to our home country one day.. but the ride back home would be much more pleasant and happier of a choice we made and not because we did not get a GC�

    Good Luck and lets keep up the effort... :)

    First and foremost, if you lose a job, it doesn't matter what your immigration status, life is going to become difficult for you and your dependents.

    I lost my job in the 7th year of H1 but since I had well researched and planned for that scenerio before entering into the 7th year, I am still here in a new job with an anticipated 3 year extension from 2007-2010.

    If a lobor from your previous job has been pending for more than 365 days, you are able to port the benefit of the 7+ year extensions to the new job. This will let you survive the 7th year job loss.

    Likewise there is a "best possible" solution to all the hardships that you have listed above and that "best possible" solution will vary from person to person and hardship to hardship.

    Life takes planning, no matter what your immigration status.

    My friend who is an EB GC holder just sold his house and took a $40000 loss. Bad planning on his part. Purchased the house at the wrong time and sold it at the wrong time too.

    Since he sold his house, he is forced to move and so his kids schooling is distrubed too.

    Its been 3 months he has moved to his apartment and his other half doesn't like the apartment lifestyle after having lived in a house for a year.

    Did his GC help in all this???

    Compare that to me, I am not a GC holder.

    I am sitting on $240,000 equity in my house for which I have no plans to sell.

    I too was forced to move due to a recent 7th year H1 job loss, and miss my boating trips to the lake near my old house. My new job is a 100 miles away from my house so I decided to do weekend commutes to the old house, and still manage to hit the lake every weekend.

    My better half also didn't want to move in an apartment due to my new job. Good enough, we leveraged the equity in our 1st house & higher income from the new job to buy a 2nd house near the new job site.

    Did my not having the GC hurt???

    GC or H1 didn't matter, good planning is what has helped me, and bad planning is what doomed my friend...





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  • apnair2002
    05-11 03:18 PM
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/11/washington/11cnd-immig.html

    Senate Leaders Expect Immigration Bill Next Week
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    By DAVID STOUT
    Published: May 11, 2006
    WASHINGTON, May 11 � Senate leaders said today that they had broken a political stalemate and would bring to the floor next week an immigration bill that could put millions of illegals on the road to eventual American citizenship.

    An agreement reached today by Senators Bill Frist of Tennessee and Harry Reid of Nevada, the Republican majority and Democratic minority leaders, ends an impasse that has stalled action in the Senate for weeks while immigrants and their advocates have been holding huge demonstrations across the country.

    The deal does not mean that a bill will emerge from Congress soon. But it is significant that the Senate leaders agree to move forward, because the chamber operates under peculiar rules and traditions that can bury legislation indefinitely. Mr. Frist and Mr. Reid said they hope to schedule a vote before Memorial Day.

    Even if the Senate passes an immigration bill, it would have to be reconciled with a bill enacted in December by the House. That bill generally emphasizes border security rather than attainment of citizenship, so negotiations between Senate and House would probably be long and heated.

    "What the Democratic leader and I have laid out is a way to get on to this bill, and as you can tell, both of us are working in very good faith on the various issues that have been raised on the floor," Mr. Frist said.

    "I welcome the return of the immigration bill to the Senate floor," Mr. Reid said. "America's immigration system is broken, and our national security depends on Republicans and Democrats finding common ground to fix it. The assurances I have received from Senator Frist make me hopeful we can finally move forward on real comprehensive reform."

    The leaders' comments indicated that they had resolved the issue that had kept them apart: how many amendments to consider, and how much time to devote to them.

    "I didn't get everything that I wanted," said Mr. Reid, who blocked votes on amendments weeks ago, saying they were intended to gut the legislation. "I think the majority leader didn't get everything he wanted."

    Mr. Frist said there would be "a considerable number of amendments debated and voted on each day," and that they would be handled "in an efficient way."

    Until partisan bickering sidetracked legislation in the Senate in early April, the chamber was working on a package that offered opportunities for eventual citizenship, a guest worker program for some immigrants and measures to enhance border security. The tougher House ill focuses on border security and would crack down on illegal immigrants and those who employ them.

    Mr. Frist said 14 Republicans and 12 Democrats will negotiate with House members once the Senate passes an immigration bill. Seven of the Republicans and five of the Democrats will come from the Judiciary Committee, with the remaining negotiators to be picked by Mr. Frist and Mr. Reid.

    President Bush has said he favors legislation that would enable immigrants to become citizens, but only after they meet strict standards. He has said repeatedly that he does not favor "amnesty," a word that is anathema to many conservatives. "We congratulate the Senate on reaching agreement, and we look forward to passage of a bill prior to Memorial Day," Dana Perino, deputy White House press secretary, told The Associated Press.

    Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, called the agreement announced today "a major step forward in our fight for tough but fair immigration reform."

    "Business and labor, Democrats and Republicans, religious leaders and the American people strongly support our plan to strengthen our borders, provide a path to earned citizenship for those undocumented workers who are here and put in place a realistic guest worker program for the future," Mr. Kennedy said.

    But quick passage is by no means assured, given the complexity of the immigration debate, the emotion it stirs and the approaching elections. Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, leader of the House Republican majority, said in late April that he opposed the emerging Senate legislation and its emphasis on citizenship attainment. "I don't think that would be supported by the American people," he said.

    But the accord announced by Mr. Frist and Mr. Reid apparently means that immigration legislation will not sink out of sight in "the procedural quagmire that the Senate is," as Mr. Reid put it recently.





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  • svn
    04-06 01:30 PM
    All those who have voted - thanks for your response so far and agree with the sentiments expressed. For those who have not voted yet, please take the time to log in and vote - YOUR OPINION COUNTS!


    Cant help but chuckle on your choice of words - DONORS = CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS.

    So, others who volunteer their time, ideas ... are not CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS if they haven't paid 25 dollars in March ( since DONOR status started from March and 25 dollars is what is required to be a DONOR )


    I am afraid, you are missing the point here - I did not intend to start a discussion on who counts as a "Donor". There have been several discussions on that topic and IV Core has laid out guidelines (if I am not mistaken, they have made attempts to go back and include folks who have contributed money in the past as well). Instead my focus is on how to increase "dollar contributions" towards our cause since as IV Core has clearly identified, nothing moves in Washington unless you have a strong lobby working for you, and as we all know, lobbying takes a significant amount of money. What I am interested in is simply - will you contribute dollars if, in exchange, you receive regular updates?


    From a person who is in senior management position I'd expected better choices of words. Now on to your point of more regular updates -- let me ask you this - do you give weekly updates to your subordinates every week ? Do you share your strategy plans every week ? I believe whenever their is a material update to be shared, IV core will share it - predicting the frequency of it OR assuming that you will get an update every X days and see a progress is not a good practical idea.

    Since you ask - the answer is YES. Not sure if you have heard of the "Servant Leadeship" but that is a management philosophy that believes an organization makes the most progress when the "leaders" at the top take the attitude of being "Servants" to those below them. The idea is based on the simple premise that people are more engaged and motivated to work when their boss listens to them and takes the trouble to keep them updated on what is going on. Instead, "Leaders" can always take the "high and mighty" road where they look down upon those below them (for various reasons - lack of trust being just one of them) but that is never going to be as effective or efficient as the former model I just mentioned. Don't take it from me though - feel free to do your own research on this topic and you will find that an increasing number of companies are starting to adopt this philosophy in order to achieve superior results and you don't have to look far to see how this is being practised in the world of politics today (President Obama).

    Finally, IV has clearly positioned itself as a grassroots organization, but by articulating a philosophy of "we will share updates when we feel like it and think its appropriate for you to know about it", it is essentially operating in a somewhat "elitist" manner (though I believe, this is a purely a side-effect of it's loose structure, rather than intentional in any way). This also explains some of the questions coming up on the poll on "who constitutes the Core?" - while the website has a listing of the "Core" members, I believe some of that has morphed over time leading to the loose structure of today.

    All I am really advocating is more transparency ...which should lead to more involvement as well. Thanks for your time.





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  • sam_hoosier
    04-09 04:29 PM
    Here is the "India Thing" again.

    Please, if you really love your country go back home. I don't think America really cares if you leave.

    There will always H1-B application every year.

    I'm not from India.

    The question is not whether America cares or not, its just about people (Indians) venting their frustration with the whole GC/retrogression issue.

    I am surprised that you care enough to post in this thread, when you are not from India ;)



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  • joydiptac
    02-11 04:51 PM
    Please note that the Form I140 is no longer valid for porting purpose under section 106� of AC21 if the I140 was revoked due to the fact that you did not meet the minimum requirements for the labor certificate at the time of filing. Due to the fact that beneficiary of the For I140 was found to be �unqualified� at the time of filing you are not eligible for relied under section 106� of AC21.
    **

    Is there a possibility that your previous company revoked the I140 saying that they wrongly filed your 140 and that you were not qualified based upon the labor certificate? I hope 180 days had passed after 140 approval. A little more detail on the case will be appreciated. Was it a case of substituted labor?

    First try to figure out what the previous company has done.
    Get the help of your attorney ASAP. Figure out if there is a way to undo the damage.
    I am not very sure of the details, a person I used to know was forced to join his previous company because they threatened him in similar lines.
    & please do keep us informed along the way. We may be able to be of assistance to you in some way or the other. Local IV chapters have access to local Congressmen etc.

    If nothing works go kick the ass of the person who is responsible for your predicament. Interpret kick ass to more severe alternatives. Some companies are anyway taking advantage of people stuck in GC queue. On top of that if they harm us they need to pay a heavy price.

    All the best!





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  • gc_in_30_yrs
    09-21 05:58 PM
    still waiting. it takes 20 business days atleast!
    i will post here once i hear anything from them.
    :)



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  • iv_only_hope
    08-15 04:58 PM
    Friends I need an opinion regarding my wifes situation. She is currently on H4. She was on H1B before some time back which she had stamped in India itself. That H1B expired. She moved back to India. After 5 years now she applied for new H1B and got it in the quota. When the dates advanced we applied for her EAD. We were hoping to get it in 60-70 days. Now its been 75 days at TSC and no signs of approval. She had job offer based on EAD since we thought might as well use that. Now we are thinking she should get her H1B stamped because we dont know when her EAD will get approved. For that do you think going to Canada for stamping is safe. She has a Bachelors degree from India. Or do you think going to India only is thesafe option. Mainly I asked was I did some search and found out that its safest in Canada if you have US/Canadian Degree. Is that true or I am wrong and its safe for everyone. Thanks.
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  • sandiboy
    07-19 02:08 PM
    EB3/Sent Via Fedex/Reached NSC Jul 2nd @ 7:55 AM



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  • sledge_hammer
    02-23 02:51 PM
    And who is complaining about all of this?

    It is gcisaDAWG :D

    Dhoni should be banned....

    http://thatscricket.oneindia.in/news/2009/02/19/indi-will-start-as-underdogs-dhoni.html

    How dare he can say "India will start as underdogs: Dhoni" :D

    Dannyboyle is calling Slum people "Slumdogs" and Dhoni is calling Indian cricket team as "Underdogs"..

    What is happening? :)

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  • maverick_joe
    01-04 03:07 PM
    If u guys are staying in an apt make sure u have both urs and ur wifes names on the letter box, since the EAD comes with a return service requested seal on it, if ur wifes name does not show up on the letter box there are chances that it would be returned to USCIS. this happened to me.
    Best of luck.



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  • floridasun
    12-30 09:45 PM
    thats the problem.... I cannot switch to another job as I am in the 7th year of H1B and I-140 approved but did not apply for I-485 yet. friends told me its risky to switch jobs now as I may be out of status.





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  • shimul99
    10-24 03:56 PM
    It was current for July. so i mailed my application on june 29, 2007, expected to reach USCIS on july 2nd, 2007.

    shimul99

    first of all congrats. but i have a question.

    you said you are EB3 ROW (Bangladesh) but you applied your I-485 on June 29, 2007 with a Priority Date of Feb 06.

    But on June 2007 (just before the VB fiasco) the Visa Bulletin for EB3 ROW was caught up to June 05 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html). But your EB3 ROW PD is Feb 06. So how is that possible?

    Only EB2 ROW is current. Are you sure you are not EB2? You can confirm this by looking at your 140 notice. Otherwise you must have sent out your application June 29 (Fri) in the hope of reaching USCIS by July 1 or 2 (Sun or Mon). That's the only way I could make sense of this.

    Either way man, your stars must all lined up or something man. You are indeed very lucky.

    the reason I am pestering you is becoz I too am EB3 ROW with PD of Mar 06 and I filed on Aug with an approved 140. I am now kicking myself for not mailing out June 29 Fri.

    FU*K*NG USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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  • sledge_hammer
    03-15 11:08 PM
    It seems like your only regret is getting caught rather than not having committed the crime. You have said in your original post that you have pleaded guilty and now you�re changing your story by calling it an accident.

    You don't deserve any help at all for you have no remorse!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks Belmont for support, as explained in other thread for some guy who is beating me or people like us, it's a mistake/accident. It can happen with ones mistake or without mistake (Car accident).. Some one get caught and some one don't... as example I knew many people who steal/use office supplies in the company they work...

    Thank you guys for your replies..........

    Hope god helps!!!

    Cheers :)





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  • plassey
    08-25 12:54 PM
    Unfortunately not that I know of. I even talked the supervisors.
    I will be in the same boat if I don't see my 9th year H1B extension before end of next month. NJ DMV must have some interim provision for individuals like us.



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  • chanduv23
    11-08 12:30 PM
    Lets all pledge that we will work towards a world that will not have any religions like Christian, Hindu, Muslim ..............

    There will be only 2 religions

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  • natrajs
    08-25 11:36 AM
    Hi all,
    my priority date is jan 2003.first ours was at TSC and then it was transferred to VSc and now it was transferred to TSC.

    Take all the options available to you ( congressman, ombudsman, senator, calling USCIS and infopass appointment)

    You may also ask your attorney to send a letter USCIS through AILA - liason office.

    Best wishes, I hope you get your GC this time.



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  • senthil1
    05-28 05:49 PM
    It is not the case that when the reduce H1b they need to outsource. Can any statitics tell that last 3 years H1b cap reached but because of that Outsourcing is done or US lost Compettiveness because there is no skilled workers. No evidence proves that. Still US only is having most technology companies.

    If US lose 12 million illegals that will cause a problem for employers. But if 50% of H1b people leave the country because of green card issues then same or more number of people will enter by H1 or L1 or b1. That is the reason Skil bill was not able to pass in the Senate based on the fact that some abuses are in H1b. Skill bill can be delayed 5 years but impact will be less for the country. But impact will be more for immigrants. Also now H1b can be extended unlimited number of times when I140 is cleared. So really exodus will be very less compared to incoming persons. So there is no compelling reason for the country to increase gc. But for illegals there is compelling reason to act on them because illegal immigration will go uncontrolled if they leave as it is.



    Good point , Yes we need to give our response to it. but neither H1B says its only for INNOVATORS rather it says only SKILLED workers. Not even every PhD is innovator . May be in some circumstances the so said perspective is true but i dont agree with every point.

    I work in a comp where mostly they have GC or Citz and in some cases they waited even 2 months + and then decided to take H1b's.

    There are no enough Americans who can do the Job if these guys think its H1B and remove H1B every Job will land as an outsourcing . If not h1B many Outsourcing IT firms will find some way to temp bring IT pros and eventually outsource.

    The Key point that IV is making is how much taxes we are paying and how good we are making to American economy. If they remove H1B ,then they understand how and what they have lost.





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  • me_different
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    thanks for fighthing for this cause.





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  • Cheran
    01-13 04:08 PM
    :)





    ItIsNotFunny
    09-23 11:51 AM
    Finished calling all except those who are not in favor.
    Updated poll.

    You must call to poeple not in favor first. Thats what you need to earn.





    caydee
    05-24 08:50 AM
    Yep!! This bill is really bad.
    It bleeds us dry.
    It bleeds the H1B program dry.
    It is evident that the proponents of this bill want it that way.

    Apparently the proponents see us as negative impactors to the US economy
    Apparently the proponents see the business community that use the H1B program as not "Pro-American".

    This is the beginning of protectionism.
    This is the beginning of isolationism.
    This is the beginning of blunting of America's competitiveness.

    The proponents of this bill must go back to school to study rich European nations and find out why they do not have a vibrant economy like US has.
    And the proponents of this bill must go back to school to know what makes US unique and vibrant.

    After this if they still remain proponents, then GOD SAVE US!!!!!

    Bad for consulting companies (no H1B; may lose job)

    Bad for physicians (no H1B for medical residents; no provisions for NIW...terrible)

    Bad for H1b transfers and extensions (severe restrictive provisions on H1B)

    AC 21 repealed (disastrous)


    Bad for pending I 140 .... left in limbo

    Bad for pending LC .... left in complete limbo


    Bad for retrogressed.... backlog will increase phenomenally 'cos of decreased visa numbers

    This bill is a massive attack on us; we should put all our efforts to oppose and kill the bill. There is little chance that we can get amendments to reverse the potential damage that this bill can do... that is disaster for us.



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